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A new podcast from Ben Thompson and John Gruber. Three episodes per week, 15 minutes per episode. Not a minute less, not a minute more.
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Dithering
A new podcast from Ben Thompson and John Gruber
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The Talk Show - ‘How many fingers should this baby have?’
Apple's Craig Federighi talks to John Gruber about Swift
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