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Hypernotes — Create, share, and understand knowledge in a new way
Hypernotes is a knowledge management app with bi-directional linking, outlining, and super-powered collaboration features.
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Nice niche product for people whose notes are overflowing with scattered information.
In addition, you can see a lot of elaboration for the records, a lot of interesting features.
And of course great character on landing! 😁
BTW, do you have the ability to transfer current information from other sources?
@stas_voronov Thanks Stas! We hope it fulfils that need 😅 We're doing a bit of a feasibility study for imports from other tools and hope to be able to start building them soon.
You have set a pretty meaningful premise for building the Hypernotes. Hope it delivers on the promises.
This is a great idea and good effort for making this real. Definitely try this out. Congrats on your product launch.
@martinwelker yes. but i gave up then. since there was no interest to get a new paying member. good luck with this attitude.
@martinwelker i will, if i ever find the motivation again. not very to go such a route and only getting "support" cause of a PH post. but thanks for the offer.
@staflow You claim that "requests" have not been answered without any further details (no name, date, issues, etc) - I take this statement very serious. Our support team does an amazing job for thousands of users- every single week. Please provide my a ticket number and I can double-check.
When do you guys rest? To be honest there are so much things in your galaxy of product that I don't know wich one I should use for my project 😅
For example, there are To-Dos in every product, and I don't understand if they are the same thing, if they are connected or not. I suppose the Zenkit galaxy of products needs a bit of finish to be very clear about the connexions between the tools.
But anyway, really a great job, congrats for this lauch !
@_entropea :) Great. That is exactly how it is: Tasks and commenting IS basically always involved. Tasks are not only connected - they are the same thing over the Zenkit platform.
You can always work with the best tool for the situation: Sometimes its a note app, sometimes a to-do app, sometimes a chat. The data is always in syn. No more silos.
Examples:
1. You add some tasks in your Hypernotes text - you see them instantly in our agenda within the Zenkit To-Do app - together with all your other task.
2. You add comments somewhere Hypernotes or To-Do - and you see them instantly in Zenchat.
@martinwelker Yes, I supposed it was how it works, but tbh I am a bit lost with all of this, but maybe it's because the product is overkill for my needs.
I will give Hypernotes a go for a side project of mine. I was very interested by Roam Research when I discovered it but your visual graph is a killer feature :)
It's always good to see another knowledge manager. Also, it should be mentioned that the quick link to the app on PH's home page doesn't work. I mean the grey hidden link which is visible on hover redirects me to "https://zenkit.com/tr/hypernotes/"
@can_sofyalioglu thanks for pointing that out! I'll take a look now :)
@can_sofyalioglu should be fixed 👍 now it will just direct to the EN version of the page. Thanks again!
Congrats for the launch ! What are your key differentiators from tools like Notion or RoamResearch ?
@valentin_haarscher Great question Valentin, thanks! Compared to Notion we've got the graph, EU servers, & chat functions. Compared to Roam - mobile apps, speed 🏃♀️, graph functions like focus & collapse, & business admin functions 👍 Of course, each app has it's own strengths and weaknesses and I can't list absolutely all the differences but I hope that gives you a good idea.
@valentin_haarscher almost forgot: maybe THE main difference is that Hypernotes is embedded within a suite of dedicated tools like Zenchat and Zenkit To Do. This keeps Hypernotes "uncluttered" and prevents feature overflow. On the other hand you have advanced task managment and a full-featured chat system in place.
I have been testing the product over the recent past, and it's quite promising. [I prodded the team to offer inline todos, perhaps along with others. But anyway, it's now available.]
The like the idea that Hypernotes is one part of a suite of tools, all taking advantage of shared elements, like the Zenkit 'spreadbase' architecture, and todos.
I just wish I could disable the explicit bullets on every Hypernote block, so notes would look less listy.
Have yet to try porting parts of my system for journaling and work management from Notion, but I plan to give it a try.
@stowe_boyd Hi Stowe,
Happy that you like it so far. Its just the beginning ;)
We have some ideas how to combine both approaches ("outlining" and conventional "note-taking") - without adding extra complexity to the onboarding experience.
Do you already have a concrete idea how to include that (e.g. switching views, selection of page-styles etc.)? If so we'd love to hear your thoughts.
Please keep us updated!
@stowe_boyd Yep, we added inline tasks thanks to prompts from you and others - thanks for all your early feedback!
The interconnectedness and collaboration is so key. Can't think of another platform that focuses on that. Looks amazing!
Hey @martinwelker I'm a huge fan of the Zettelkasten System as well as I have Zenkit on my watchlist of potential alternatives to Asana.
Currently I'm using Workflowy (before Roam) for my Zettelkasten and Asana (before Trello) for my daily productivity flow.
Zenkit has the potential to me to combine both in one. So people like me only need to use one software. Great work!
I've been looking into Hypernotes and have several Questions:
1. Performance with a lot of notes
People with a serious Zettelkasten have 10.000+++ of notes in their Zettelkasten. One of the main issues are, that systems get slower and slower over time, as more and more notes you have.
That's why people with Zettelkasten Systems prefer very simple tools like Workflowy or Roam.
Have you been testing Hypernotes with 10.000+++ Notes and know the performance of the software?
Especially because you also allow images etc. to be included which tend to slow down the performance quite a bit.
What is your experience? How do your software perform in terms of speed with a lot of notes in a Zettelkasten?
People like me don't want to move my Zettelkasten System to a new software just to figure out it's way too slow (happened to me already).
2. How standalone or interconnected with Zenkit Suite will Hypernotes become in the future?
I assume for performance reasons you have to make Hypernotes as a standalone project and can't combine Zenkit Suite with Hypernotes because Advanced Features like KanBan, MindMap, Eisenhower Matrix, Gantt, Reporting as well as "Labels" etc. might slow down the system way tooo much.
But what is on your roadmap? Which features you might want to integrate in the future into Hypernotes?
E.g. would "labels" be helpful to me, if I want to use the Tasks part within Hypernotes.
3. Getting Things Done Method + Zettelkasten Method = Perfect Hypernotes
The main reason for me to use Asana is to have a daily ToDo List (MyTasks) which can be categorized into Task for "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later". I'm using the Getting Things Method quite heavily for that.
Neither in Zenkit Suite nor in Hypernotes I can find such a feature. Do I miss something here (Future feature request!)?
The combination of Zettelkasten System with Hypernotes + Getting Things Done Method with Labels/Projects & "Today, Upcoming and Later" functionality would be my perfect tool.
How close do you get or intend to combine these productivity methods?
Elsewise I'm pretty impressed about your results. It seems like you have been looking at all the other Zettelkasten and notetaking tools and combined it to one of the best products out there. Well done!
Cheers
Torge
@torge_janiesch
thx!
1. absolutely right. we are heading to a 100k notes capability. Virtual scrolling etc. are on our list. Important: the graph view should also "work" with 100k notes. Not only performance-wise, but "understanding"-wise. Showing everything at once is not suitable for big networks. Therefore we have a "focus" mode which only shows selected nodes and their neighbor note.
2. Hypernotes is a standalone product. AND it is on the same platform as every other Zensuite app. No syncing required.
3. Very close. we gather ALL tasks from ALL products in our agenda view in to-do. We will add global labels soon. This enables you to implement GTD on a global level.
Torge, please try Hypernotes in the real world and come back to me with your insights. That would be great.
@martinwelker Thanks for a fast reply. I'm looking forward to the global labels soon :)
"The main reason for me to use Asana is to have a daily ToDo List (MyTasks) which can be categorized into Task for "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later". I'm using the Getting Things Method quite heavily for that.
Neither in Zenkit Suite nor in Hypernotes I can find such a feature. Do I miss something here (Future feature request)"
Do you have such feature already and I haven't found it?
Or is this something on your roadmap to come? If so, when?
@martinwelker @torge_janiesch You could use the label feature in Base to handle that (just create those labels for yourself in a collection). Or if you want to use To Do, you could maybe approximate it with the smart lists "Today" and "This week" (instead of upcoming), and create a list to cover "Later".
Martin mentioned global labels are on the roadmap, which means that you'd be able to create those labels and use them to tag tasks in any list/collection etc in any of the apps. Hope that helps!
@martinwelker @siororke Okay. I was looking into Zenkit Base and Zenkit ToDo and see how to work with Zenkit with the feature to categorize Tasks into "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later" in a list - which Asana solved in a great way for me to use the GTD Method.
This feature is probably the Nr. 1 feature I'm missing within the Zenkit Universe.
That's why I didn't move from Asana yet back then when you launched Zenkite Base and Zenkit ToDo and I saw you added more and more features. I'm still hoping you can implement that feature in the future. That's a gamechanger for me within Asana.
A ToDo List as "Backlog-Inbox" sorted by "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later".
The Inbox of Zenkit ToDo doesn't work for me because to see what needs to be done for "Today" and "This Week" requires that I label a due date for each task. And often enough I have task which would need to be done next, after previous tasks without a fix due date.
I can create a list called "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later". But it seems like I can't have 1 tasks in two lists -> E.g. "Today" and "SEO".
Maybe global labels would help in that case by labelling the Tasks topic/list as "SEO" but have the task in "Today" or "Upcoming or "Later" folder. But for now it doesn't work for me.
The Inbox of Zenkit Base is pretty much the same issue as with Zenkit ToDo. I can label the tasks as "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later" - but whenever I want to change the status from "Upcoming" to "Today" - it's 3 clicks until the label is changed + I have to move the task into the correct order and list.
And it seems like its either not possible or very complicated to have tasks in two different lists e.g. "Today" and "SEO".
But yeah - it's way easier for me to move the task in Asana from "Upcoming" to "Today" rather than change label names within Zenkit.
You do have the section-function "Task needs to be done" and "Done" in a list. I wish you had the section-function "Today", "Upcoming" and "Later" within one list as well to move tasks between different Stages/sections e.g. from "Upcoming" to "Today".
Having 100+ Tasks in one list in one long order with different labels is just overwhelming in my daily routine.
For me it helps a lot, that I have a List of ToDos but only focus on the task which should be done by "Today" and when this part get's empty, I can drag-and-drop upcoming task to the "Today" Part of the ToDo List.
I assume because you want to easily change between a list view, Kanban view, Gantt View and so on this feature can't be implemented due to the structure of Zenkit?
@siororke @torge_janiesch got it. we are working on global labels. expect Q3-Q4 2021. (sorry, its a few month I know)
@martinwelker nice product! I got into it this morning and found it's a nice combo of Notion and Roam with a the to-do functionality of Amplenote. However, how does this connect to ZenKit? Like, if I add a task in Hypernotes can it show up in my task list in ZenKit to build into my existing workflow? Nice job overall!
@austin_langlois This.
1. You add a task in hypernotes. it shows up in Base and/or To-Do. and vice versa.
2. you can chat/comment on tasks and pages/blocks in Hypernotes via Zenchat.
@martinwelker One more thing I'd like to follow up on based on about a month of using :) I noticed that when I take notes in Hypernotes, and then want to copy/paste them into an email for a recap of a meeting (for example) - i cannot copy/paste multiple bullets / lines. Is this purposeful? Or an update planned? I find it a big roadblock in leveraging the tool with a larger workflow :) Thanks again!
@austin_langlois Hey Austin! its possible! Would you do me a favour and open a support ticket for that?
Looks great! Two questions though:
1) What does 4 weeks activity history mean for the free trial?
2) Is it possible to change the font?
@harsh_moolani Hi! 1. 4 weeks of activities and comments are visible.
2. not at the moment. any ideas?
@harsh_moolani @martinwelker Love the font of app.Clickup.com :). And the ability to add highlight colours would be wonderful!
@martinwelker 1. So, pages after 4 weeks will disappear? 2. Always love free reign of google fonts :)
@harsh_moolani Noo ;) all pages stay forever. but you can comment on pages with your team. this is limited to the latest 4 weeks in the free plan
Great job guys! :)
What's the most important feature that makes hypernotes different from other note taking apps?
@oleg_baobei Thanks Oleg! The main differences to normal note apps is the networking aspect - bi-directional links between notes, the knowledge graph, etc. Compared to other apps of this type, we also offer much more advanced task features, GDPR conformity & mobile apps 😎
Hello Martin and the rest of the Zenkit Team,
I first came across Hypernotes in the active online forum at OutlinerSoftware.com.
Link to the discussion here:
https://www.outlinersoftware.com...
As I wrote in the forum, I had Hypernotes up and working straight out of the box. It was so intuitive with almost no learning curve. Of course, there are many missing features/functions, but it is still in beta. I would like to see export functions (Word, text file, etc.). As an academic working with hundreds, even thousands of research papers, I need interaction with highlights and notes I make on the PDF of a research paper. With these features, I believe the search for my ultimate for taking notes on research is over!
Roam Released released information for the feature in working with PDFs:
Having the same sort of ability with Hypernotes, without the necessity of being a computer geek to make it work, would be truly wonderful! :)
@darren_m_mcdonald ok. thank you. working INSIDE a PDF / annotating, ineresting thing..
@martinwelker I would be ever grateful if you consider this feature for Hypernotes, however far ahead it would be on the roadmap. :)
@martinwelker Here is a link to further information about the PDF highlight extension for Roam Research:
https://github.com/c3founder/Roa...
@martinwelker @darren_m_mcdonald Thank you so much Darren for your concrete feedback & helpful links! We'll do our best to make it happen :)
@martinwelker @siororke Thanks a lot Siobhan for commitment to making this happen. If there is any further information you need, just ask! :)
Looks very interesting - I've been waiting patiently for Evernote to add bidirectional linking but nothing has happened yet on that front. Is their a Windows app out at the moment or is it only for use on the web? Will the windows app be an Electron or be lighter with just a WebView?
@cognociente @martinwelker You can find them all to download here: https://zenkit.com/en/hypernotes...
?makers What are your plans for import/export? Will it support plain text (markdown) export of your entire notebook? How about import from Roam's JSON export?
@kerim Great question, Kerim! We're working on export to PDF and JSON now, and then implementing import from other tools is next on the list :)
Does the notebook support MathJax or LaTeX rendering for now? Would love to use the notebook for my CS research
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