We spent a lot of time making all kinds of features for our news curation app, Inside, but the numbers kept saying the same thing: people just wanted to quickly browse the top news. So we made a simple, streamlined app called TL;DR to just give you the news right f*cking now, with conversational, jokey headlines to make it fun to read.
Take a look. Would love some thoughts and feedback.
@clarkvalberg@jason thanks pal... means a lot coming from the product expert who built the product we built TLDR in!!!!!! I think you just ripped a hole in the space-time-product continuum!!!
Love the new tab Chrome extension. @andreasklinger built a Chrome extension for Product Hunt that displays the day's top products before he joined the team.
@jason - I'm really interested in your strategy to build separate apps for different topics (e.g. Inside Drones). How do you choose which category to move into next?
@rrhoover I can see a lot of similar aspects on its strategy and PH's horizontalization. It's a big challenge to new products scale like this, since they grew its users community based on a central subject or market...
We'll face exactly the same on our new product and I'm studying a lot about it, specially to build a more distributed users' base. Any thoughts or reference materials on it?
@rrhoover we did a lot of vertical at weblogs inc, and it was all very experiemental. We did a Wifi Blog, then an Apple blog (tuaw.com!), a World of Warcraft blog, and stumbled in Engadget, Joystiq and Autoblog. I never thought the big categories would work, i thought we were going to be a b2b publisher. that was my goal!
then Engadget exploded and we have a foothold... and we built form that base to video games. then TVSquare and Cinematical.
that's what we're doing at Inside.com right now... experimenting. we've got minor traction in a couple of places, but we need to get out "engadget" moment going... and i think TLDR might be it.
Also, consider this an AMA about news, product & startup life! Please do... ask me anything and give me a little feedback/love for my new little experiment.
@jason love it, I'm using CycleTab to cycle between your TL;DR extension and the PH extension. A quick feature request/idea too - marking stories as read and hiding them from view
@jason I love inside on my phone. It's a great example of an app that's valuable just for the notifications. Question: How do you think about cooperation with competitors? I'm thinking about as a startup works on a really hard unsolved problem there's certainly things to be learned from others trying to solve the same problem. For you personally, how do you think about cooperation with others doing news, conferences, etc.?
@jfilcik@jason generally speaking, startups are so focused on doing one thing right in the product/market fit phase there is no time for partnerships. However, if you have product market fit, well, sure.... it's time to rock and roll and find partners.
Congrats on the launch, @jason. Really smart. I imagine this is a piece of the strategy, but how do you get younger people to really *care* about news? My generation seems pretty uninterested in news - in the traditional sense - nowadays. There's so much noise and so much content out there. I'll be the first to admit that I'm much more interested in tech news and updates on my friends (Instagram, Snapchat) than "true" news, as the latter feels overwhelmingly negative. Outside of a desire to feel (or worse, appear) informed and cultured on the one or two big international/political/cultural events of the week, I (and many of my peers) don't pay too much attention. Buzzfeed, Snapchat, and of course, you at Inside are trying to change to this, but millennials just seem to be far more interested in the Kardashians (or in my case, what's trending on Product Hunt).
How does this change? Does it need it need to change? I'd like to think so, but I'm not sure things are going in that direction.
@jacksondahl I believe it can change, definitely. All you need to do is to speak to them in their own language, and the way they want their news handed to them. Nothing lengthy, nothing complicated. I've been doing this with my own newsletter whathappenedlastweek.com and most of my subscribers (3000+) are millenials.
@jacksondahl young people today look at news as entertainment, and I think they are so savvy/cynical they assume that it's all bought/covert advertising. So, it will take time for Gen-Y and Gen-C to look at the news and say "hey, this is important and we should trust it."
of course, the news providers have to be trustworthy, make significant investments and figure out a way to operate in a world where advertising has been, largely, commoditized by platforms. It's really hard to get a premium CPM when the folks at Twitter and Facebook can sell any publishers audience -- and pay them nothing! you can literally advertise to the @nytimes and @engadget followers on Facebook and Twitter and give those publications NOTHING. ZERO.
How crazy is that? How were they able to sneak that in?!?!
@jason your comment about people/brands being able to advertise directly to NY Times or Engadget Followers on Facebook and Twitter intrigued me as I had never really thought about the effects of advertising on Facebook/Twitter from that point of view.
I obviously understood the ability to get very granular with your targeting but then never considered that you are essentially getting the benefit of all the effort that the NY times (or some other specific brand/business) took to develop a following within that particular niche you wish to target. Essentially you can get the benefit of what could potentially costs tens (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars to advertise on these mastheads for cents on the dollar/$'s per click via Facebook/Twitter.
While that's great for the person trying to reach that audience it does seem unfair on the part of the publisher. While they are losing direct traffic to their publication (especially with the likes of Facebook instant articles) they are also getting hit over the head by not receiving any share of the revenue that they essentially helped cultivate by having an audience that someone is interested in reaching.
Perhaps this is an area where another social app/network could gain a foothold (assuming of course they reach a certain level of critical mass first) by giving publishers some level of control and reward for their efforts. Perhaps under a fairer model generic targeting of users by age, sex, location, education level, etc allows the platform to maintain 100% revenue, whereas if an advertiser specifically opted to target followers of someone like the New York Times or Engadget then those brands get a % share of the ad revenue.
Very interesting insight and definitely something I will research in more depth given the current project I am working on.
BTW first app I opened this morning for my news hit over breakfast was TL;DR
Nice! I was going to ask what sets you apart from other instant news apps out there, but I just installed and loved how I didn't have to *do* anything to start reading quick news. It was just there for me - no signup or "pick my interests". Loved it.
The headlines are a nice touch too - just a little bit of irreverence without pissing anyone off. Are you guys handwriting those? Or pulling from elsewhere & programmatically modifying them for use in the app?
@sphmrs we write the abstracts and we pick the stories with humans making $14 an hour.... almost everyone else uses social signals, a community (reddit) or keywords/algos (google) and some just slap an RSS on it. This makes us a little slower, but we have higher quality. we will see if it works!
@sphmrs I was actually delighted to find that our team really embraced writing irreverent, fun headlines. Seemed like it'd be a challenge to get more serious, journalism-oriented people to cut loose like that, but it was pretty easy. The hardest part is striking the right balance between being sort of cheeky but not offensive or obnoxious. Glad you're enjoying it!
@sphmrs I was delightfully surprised at how quickly our normally straight-laced writing staff started cranking out funny headlines. You wouldn't think being just the right amount of quippy would be that common a skill. As you suggest, the toughest part is striking a balance between being fun but not obnoxious or inappropriate. Glad you're enjoying it.
Jason, big fan of the TWIST show! Can you tell more about your friendship with Elon Musk (eg how did you meet, what did you learn)? Must have been quite scary to preorder a car if you knew that Tesla was struggling.
@seysconstantijn we met through mutual friends like David Sacks and Adeo Ressi 10+ years ago now; he's a really special guy and I care about him a lot. He pushes himself so hard, which is obvious, but he's also a great father and wildly supportive friend. Super loyal, like Mark Cuban and David Sacks and Chamath.
He's done so many favors for so many of his friends that no one hears about... and the dude is so slammed right now. he's a really good person and he's the probably the best entrepreneur i've met in my entire life -- and i've met them all (including gates and Jobs).
Hi @jason. Loving TL;DR.
I'm deeply passionate about news and especially local news. Why do I only hear about a local restaurant hold up from my wife? Do you have any thoughts on hyper local news and mistakes made by the Patch's of the world?
Always a fan. Shaun.
@shauntrennery patch was too many cities done poorly.... they should have done only 10 cities, but done them 50x better and they would have had a shot at replacing the local publications. you never SCALE before you PERFECT something.... patch never hired a great editor or nailed a city.... so, they spent a ton of money doing a modest job--and no one noticed. classic mistake in the "age of attention"
I'm with @mishachellam on this: to me, the fact that @jason not only stayed up to post this, but is doing feedback AMA-style, underscores his palpable interest in journalism. The former (sometimes current) journalist in me loves that; additionally, I love that there's now seemingly an addition to Inside's app, I'll need to check out this one in the morning.
I suppose one question I have that I'm always curious about is your view of where journalism is going in the next decade or so. You touch on a variety of mediums in your own work (blog posts, podcasts, video casts, etc.) and I'm curious as to which of these you feel have been the most beneficial (beneficial in this case might mean something other than sheer numbers; could mean which medium(s) do you feel have made your journalism better).
@adammarx13 great questions....
1. I love investigative journalism because it's important.... and no one does it no more. Frontline is my favorite. I dream of buying Frontline and running it. I love how they took on the NFL recently... just amazing work.
2. I love podcasting because anyone can do it -- and if you keep doing it you might actually build a huge audience (I did!).
3. I love events as a way of building community.
4. I love email newsletters
5. I love curation
So many ways to make journalism work, but it's so noisy and hard right now. You need to also have a growth and high/low (i.e. fun) strategy.... which is what I'm experimenting with here. How fun can we make the news, while sneaking in the important stuff. We'll find out I guess!
@jason@adammarx13 Thanks for taking time to answer! As per your responses..
1. I agree that investigative journalism has taken a hit in the last decade or so, but also think that there are a lot of promising writers taking on bigger stories right now solo, able to do things basically on their own sweat which would have been so much more difficult to do before without the aid of a big publisher. To me, that's one of the best things I'm seeing lately.
2. Discovered the same dynamic on my college radio show (arguably a form of podcasting)! (Smaller audience too, I assume ha).
3. This is a big thing for me, and I could see it was for you as well. I was at LAUNCH back in March and really liked the way you ran your interviews, particularly your ones with Fred Wilson and Chris Sacca. Definitely an extension of the dynamic you have on your podcasts (complete with riffing!) which made them equally as entertaining as informative.
Interesting approach regarding "fun" (but informative" news; I'll be interested to see how this works out, especially as it begins (hopefully) to carve out its own brand beside Inside. Thanks again for the AMA (and for the patince at a long set of questions)!
Thanks @jason, you just ruined my productivity! Chrome extension is slick and way too effective. Would be nice if one of the top stories is automatically expanded on the top with the first few lines of the story. Makes it even more immersive when opening a new tab.
@woutervanlent The designs for a single top story is in the works. Glad you guys confirmed the idea, cause it was a bit of a debate at the Inside office. It's a go now!
@jason, What would it take to get you to Cleveland for Industry 2016? ;-) We had 250 product people from 14 states and 6 countries this past September for Industry 2015 (2015.indsum.com). Modest beginnings, but we have big ambitions. And I'd make sure that we treat you real well here in the CLE. What do you say?
@belsito I rarely travel for speaking gigs... i have so much going on in NorCal. The exceptions are: a) a friend/partner like Tyler/IBM/Troy Carter (today) asks me to help their event, b) the audience for my talk is 2x bigger than my own stage (which is 2,500+ folks at LaunchFestival.com). otherwise, it's just too much time/effort for too low of payoff for my audience/teams. my appearances are a primary resource to @inside and @launch teams, so we have to think "does this get us a bigger push/help more founders than doing another episode of This Week in Startups?" etc.
when i was in my 20s and 30s i took every speaking gig... which is how i got myself into this mess!!! :-p
@jason@belsito Makes sense! But I had to ask. If you have solid recommendations on speakers for this year, let me know. Really came hard with Industry 2015. Nir Eyal. Trevor Owens. Mina Radharsihnan. A dozen more. It was great.
@belsito Mike - having just got off the high of attending Launch Scale pretty much anyone on the agenda there would appear to be a fit for Industry 2016, including a number of 20-30 year old founders. If there's something specific (topic/role) you're looking for I'd be happy to make a reco from what we heard out there. http://www.launchscale.net/agenda/
I haven't even checked out the product yet (I will a bit later today) but my favorite part is that @jason stayed up to post this himself and then hang out to answer comments. You've had your f'u money exit + worth an additional 10s if not 100s of millions on the Uber deal. And yet still hungry for product feedback and engagement with users. Respect.
@mishachellam i'm in it for the Hunt comments..... always! can i interest you in the LAUNCH Incubator or This Week in Startups while we're at it?!?! #hustle #neversleeps
I am using the chrome extension - and it works well, beautifully designed. Great concept that I like - all in one place for the most recent news stories. BTW, here's a link to the app: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/...
This will kill my productivity. I'm addicted to news and restrict myself to only consume it in little breaks over the day. This extension will probably kill my productivity - love it! ;)
Still @jason - Any plans to integrate an on/off switch (e.g. for working hours)?
@raydawg88@jason Thanks guys!!! Would be awesome. After actively testing it for a day I have to deactivate the plugin. It's too much energy to "force-focus", especially in research phases. Which means you actually did a great job with this - tempted to click an article every time I'm opening a new tab... ;)
This is pretty cool and I love the name. Excited to see where this goes. As an easily distracted kinda user I think I'd prefer to see these headlines 1 at a time in iOS perhaps on cards? I'm a little too distracted by the next headline to take them in one at a time as it is.
@rickmesser Hey Rick. We are working on a new version already that will mix in a list of stories, and sometimes a single popular story. But this could be a cool toggle. See the whole feed...or just see 1 at a time. Thanks for the feedback...that's going on the feature board.
Great extension @jason! A big (and smoothly natural) step on product's life. I think about "new browsing tab" as one of most important assets of users web experience nowadays. And this extension explores it very well...
It's good to see Inside.com running in this way... keep rocking!
@jason@brianoflondon seem that I'm having the same problem. I am also from Europe. Launching the TL;DR on iphone6 and no news loads, only have a blank white screen with a line and the setting icon.
Guys @jason, @raydawg88, @adamdill, @lons, great work on this. As I told Ray last week after seeing the preview at LAUNCH, love the name and the concept. We are a TL;DR generation for sure. The team definitely deserves some sushi. Maybe you guys should have an Inside team Recurrency page, I'll chip in $5 toward the sushi lunch! cc: @brianalvey
A few ideas:
1) Slack integration for the editor's choice/breaking news.
2) I think it would be interesting to add some of the descriptions/quick summaries to the chrome tab version like are on the app/site version. Maybe just select ones or the breaking/top news one, or maybe there's a hover/button to just show the summary without clicking to the article?
3) Per some of the discussion above, I think a top 3-5 news "you need-to-know" pieces from the day before would be an interesting add.
@Jason AMA ?'s-
1) How often do you play poker? Who has more of the other guy's $, you or @chamath?
2) What was the coolest startup you saw at Smashd labs on your visit yesterday?
@Raydawg88@adamdrill@lons
1) What was the funniest comment you got back from "grandma" when you sent out the earliest inVision prototype of TL;DR to friends and fam?
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