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SHADOW (alpha) — Dream-based social network
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@rrhoover The danger is that our own dreams are often much more compelling to ourselves than to others. I like that they use visuals and short description length to keep them more engaging (not sure if capped or an artifact of mobile text entry)
Reminds me of Secret, except on Secret, people pretend their dreams actually happened ;)
@rrhoover | We call ourselves a social utility, the utility being the Alarm Clock while the dreams drive the social. You call also think about us like a mirror, we want to help surface the dream data and show you the patterns in your sub conscious mind. Let's say last night you dreamt about a RocketShip, we want to tell you this is the 4 time you dream about a RocketShip and here are 158 other people who also dream about a RocketShip last night.
@hunterleesoik Thanks for coming on to discuss! Can't wait for more sleep tracker features you said are coming soon (using the data I give the app when I "slide to sleep" and "slide to wake"? other signals?)
Hope this is helpful: the alarm function doesn't work for me at the moment. I tried it last night with the default iOS alarm as a backup 10 minutes later. The iOS alarm woke me up. Shadow was just popping up notifications, but making no sound. Also, the alarm page also crashed 3 times for me, and the sample alarm sound (when choosing which one you want to play in settings) didn't stop until I closed the app :) Happy to provide more info off-thread.
@hunterleesoik By the way, I really like how, when setting the alarm, it tells me how much sleep that means I'll get. Nice touch!
@staringispolite | thanks we are adding sleep tracking in the next 2 weeks.
@AreUEnt Will report back on this, but it does have a whole page devoted to telling it when you're going to sleep. Can't imagine them ignoring such an obvious feature, but it's possible they haven't gotten to it yet
@AreUEnt | We are working to implement this before launch, we have an interesting idea to create a smarter smart alarm, I can tell you most in a couple weeks.
@hunterleesoik I tried the alarm feature last night and it miserably failed on me. I think i set it up for 8:10 and I woke up at 9:40. BUT! I recorded a great dream (under a13y)! It was a very gratifying experience! Thank you. Also, would be nice to edit the typos after publishing. Awesome product guys!
@AreUEnt | thank you and my apologies about the alarm, we are working on improvements this coming week + Edit and Delete dreams.
Their landing page doesn't do a great job of explaining what this is:
* Dream journal - setting the intention to dream before you go to sleep, and keeping a dream journal, are both supposed to help remember your dreams more often and in more detail.
* Discover - read others' dreams as well (importantly, they're usually succinct)
* Sleep tracker - Self-explanatory
* "Ease-in" Alarm clock. Starts soft to wake you up gently. Gets louder as needed.
* Dark UI is easy on the eyes since the lights will be off in most use cases.
h/t @rrhoover
@staringispolite | this landing page will give you a bit more context | WWW.DISCOVERSHADOW.COM
There's some really interesting research in this space, particularly reading brain activity to work out the contents of dreams. http://www.nature.com/news/scien...
By their nature I think dreams could be very difficult to put into words and as @staringispolite says, they are often far more engaging for ourselves.
@_jamesmundy | this is some pretty ground dreaming stuff! Check out this one, induce lucid dreaming through Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation • http://www.nature.com/neuro/jour...
@hunterleesoik Wow, Radiolab *just* did an episode on TDCS. Like, hours after your comment. Good timing! http://www.radiolab.org/story/9-...
@staringispolite | this is super good! I'm interested to try. We also think we can induce lucid dreaming via binaural, but that's a conversation we can have in a couple months.
I wrote one of the first articles on Hunter + Shadow (http://www.forbes.com/sites/alex...). Saw an early early version last year- it is awesome. Beautifully designed.
@ajt hey Alex you are the man! Congratulations on social rank, we will have to partner on DreamRank.
I've seen a lot of products on PH pop up that are related to Lucid dreaming and the goal of having lucid dreams. Has this always been something with a trickle of products or is it a recent fascination?
this is sooooo cool. i'd love to read more about dreams.... imagine a "secret" for dreams :)
@eriktorenberg Haha, typed my comment at the same time you did. Great minds!
@staringispolite @eriktorenberg note that they ask for your full name, not a pseudonym (although you could use one) or full anonymity. I'm sure the team thought very carefully about this decision to encourage people to use their identity. I'd like to hear more about their reasoning.
@rrhoover Agreed, and I think that's an important decision I'd like to hear more about as well. I can't speak for Erik, but I was just imagining an anonymous version.
@staringispolite @rrhoover i was imagining anonymous too (tho i did share a dream journal with a couple people)
let me try to rope in the founders :)
@rrhoover | we need your name to add you to the provisional profile, it's not our goal to map individuals dreams. Our goal is to create a tool or mirror for the user to understand themselves through dream patterns.
I'm gonna try it tonight, love the idea.
BTW: A social network around dreams is something I often desired, but there's one thing I would love to see implemented one day @hunterleesoik and it's linking people together.
I somehow imaging how beautiful it would be to discover that dreams are connected to each other (places, people you meet, and so on).
So "Tagging" people and places into a dream would be something that would allow us to do this in a simple manner.
Dunno if it's in your plan but I in case feel free to reach out to me about any question this idea might arise
@andrea_sdl Great idea. "you were in my dream last night" is a sometimes awkward conversation in real life, even for perfectly PG dreams. It'd be really awesome to know if some random friend and I were skiing the alps, fighting a monster, or whatever in their dream, and I feel like that content would necessitate a separate social network for those conversations to feel natural.
I'd also be interested in connecting with people on similar themes. "Why do I keep dreaming about X?", bonding over a type of nightmare, interpreting what it means to dream about X, etc
@hunterleesoik do you plan to extend the gentle wake up period?
I found out that no app (that I know of) has a gentle wake up period of 30 minutes and I'd love a smoother transition (8 minutes it's just too fast for me).
I've tried a few of these iOS apps and the biggest problem is that I don't understand a damn thing about what I wrote down the next day. Basically the second you write it down you lose all the context to what the dream was about and are just left with words. I like the structured data aspect of this though where they just track key words, that might be the most useful thing, keywords for people, places, activities, objects.
I really wish someone would invent something that can take a snapshot of the visual i'm remembering from my dream.
@rrhoover @ldrogen Not to alarm anyone but... people are totally working on that :) http://www.ign.com/articles/2013...
Also: I've heard the "understanding what you wrote" thing gets better with practice. And obviously, better when you're waking up, as opposed to the middle of the night.
I'm very curious to see what effect their iOS8 integration (record dreams from the notification screen) has on description quality
Hi Guys!
Thank you for taking interest SHADOW, we are still in early days, e.g. ALPHA. We will launch in the fall with iOs 8. We really excited about interactive notifications and being able to record a dream from the notification screen.
If you are interested in ALPHA testing shoot me an iMessage [iOs only at the moment] with your name to 310 497 1223 and I'll add you to the ALPHA. We are super limited as in our ALPHA because it's been growing on it's own and we only have so many invites per APPLE.
Please ask any questions here or text | call me at 310 497 1223.
Sleep well,
-hunter lee soik
P.S. where it all started | https://www.kickstarter.com/proj...
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