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Naval Ravikant
A-List University by AngelList — Skip the career fairs & hire top 2017 CS grads today
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Ryan Hoover
From my experience, traditional (IRL) career fairs are so inefficient. We're offered to attend some on occasion and pass because of the time commitment. Small startups often don't have the time to travel and host a booth to meet and review a relatively small number of candidates.
Jason Crawford
We've been using A-List to hire at Fieldbook, and it's good. Lots of students on here with great backgrounds. Definitely recommended for companies hiring 2017 grads.
Danielle Newnham
Love this but would there be a way to include top performing grads from all schools vs top schools? I fear diversity pool would be limited otherwise
Austin Sandmeyer
@daniellenewnham the "top tier school" part always makes me cringe... I understand the prestige with these grads, no doubt. But still...
amitm
@as_austin @daniellenewnham We are taking applicants from all schools, but we wanted to limit to a few schools when we launched. This is something that we are actively trying to figure out. I agree that top school is not necessarily the best indicator of a engineer's aptitude. Interviews and code samples also have bias, but they can be better indicators. Unfortunately, startups that hire are busy and interviewing is extremely time consuming. With a candidate from a top CS program, a recruiter can take some shortcuts. They generally know what kind of education the candidate got and that the candidate had to pass as set of standardized filters to get there. However, we are working hard on figuring this out. There are tons of very good engineers without name brands on their resumes. We need to a) figure out how to demonstrate their aptitude and b) convince companies that our judgement is good. It's a hard problem and we want to solve it
amitm
@as_austin @daniellenewnham On this front, we launched quizzes on AngelList last year: https://angel.co/quizzes. We have more stuff in the pipeline
Marco Marandiz
@amitm @as_austin @daniellenewnham "With a candidate from a top CS program, a recruiter can take some shortcuts." That's a dangerous statement. There are so many social factors that can grant a person access to a school, none of which relate to the education that person received.
Dawn Casey-Rowe
@amitm @as_austin @daniellenewnham An AngelList credential/certification that measures proficiency in several fields accurately...that would be a fantastic feature.
JB Rubinovitz
I wish this did something different than amplifying the existing recruiting pipeline that manufactures homogeneity and an artificial talent shortage. Also, it's not like people from these schools are not inundated with offers anyway. I don't see anything new here.
Ankur Kumar
Elitist. Unlike hiring a MBA, a skillset of software engineer can be demonstrated and tested with rounds of interview process with near precise accuracy. It also discourages diversity. Ivies are not a great place to look if you want to hire a fresh talented black CS grad. My $0.02
Austin Sandmeyer
@ankscricholic sadly it does discourage diversity. But many startups supposedly "need" the name and prestige these graduates can bring with their alma mater.
Manish Gill
Because clearly, the people who study in top universities need more help getting a job.
Ben Tossell
Interested in the story behind this initiative!
Naval Ravikant
@bentossell We wanted to recruit A-List caliber recent grads but don't want to go to career fairs. So we built a virtual career fair for startups... @narang_rishi 's passion.
sri
Is this a virtual career fair? Whats the point of putting a date range for this initiative?
Rishi Narang
@bentossell happy to share! Before graduating last year, I was heavily involved in the startup scene at Princeton and other schools across the country via Dorm Room Fund. I've felt really strongly that new grads should have more ways to join great startups out of school. Facebook, Google, and other big tech companies have experienced university recruiting teams that have relationships with schools & student organizations, and make offers to top seniors early in the fall. As @rrhoover mentioned, most startups don't have time for campus recruiting. We're launching A-List University to level the playing field.
mark calvo-cruz
@narang_rishi @bentossell @rrhoover level the playing field for startups? or students? this part is kind of unclear
mark calvo-cruz
Hi. I am a CS & Philosophy major with 1 year left. I write well, work hard, and taught myself the basics of Swift, Javascript, and currently Rails but I just go to a small liberal arts school in NY. Is this for me?
Anton Shabatov
what benefits brings and what area designed so it does not clear all of the site?
Uli Santos G
Love the idea, but sad AngelList is looking to make a quick buck from their 'top tier' profiles. It is hard for me to have confidence in your selection algorithm when you have already discriminated by alma mater.
Jamie Gordon
Just got to love those internet loving americans, they forget other universities in the world,lol
Jack Lewin
Looking forward to seeing this rolled out for students outside the US!
Adi Komari
software engineers from top schools may not necessarily be the top software engineers.