That chicken-and-egg problem of not being able to get funding until you have a business, but not being able to build a business until you have funding? Solved. Get your funding at the idea stage, so you have the time and money to build.
Big fan of alternative funding models and experiments like this (coming from someone that invests out of a venture fund).
What's been the biggest surprise or learning so far, @stephen_walter5?
A shoutout from the PH OG @rrhoover!
Honestly, the biggest surprise has been the size of the demand, I came at this from a mindset of alternative funding, but it's mindboggling how many new businesses are created every day with no capitalization path. Weekend Fund is making a small dent :), but the reality is that non-VC backable companies are the vast majority >99% of new businesses and there isn't a bank or fintech that offers them anything to get off the ground.
Interesting idea, a well-structured verification process!
One question, why do choose to miss out on European and Asian entrepreneurs, who earn 100k a year?
@jas801 Thanks for checking us out! We would love to offer this internationally, and hopefully we will be able to at some point! Right now we're partnered with an amazing sponsor bank, Continental Bank, to make these loans possible, and their license is based in the US, so we are only able to lend within the US.
Also worth noting you do not have to be a full US citizen however to be able to receive the loan—as long as you are a resident with a US social security number, you will meet that part of the criteria.
Finally, other funding options for startups besides venture! The Paintbrush Loan is perfect for first-time founders, anyone launching a small business, or expanding a side hustle. It also works for venture-backed startups who want some non-dilutive runway.
No pitch deck, no meetings, just apply and get an answer in minutes. Get funded the next business day.
$50k loan, 5-year term, 15% interest, with an income-driven personal guarantee.
Thanks so much for hunting us @joedmarti, and thanks to the ProductHunt community for the support!
Starting a business is easier than ever, but getting money to start a new business is still impossibly hard. We wanted a way for startups to get capital on day 0 — no revenue, no product, just an idea — and that’s exactly what we’ve built.
What it is:
Application you can fill out in 10 minutes
Automated approvals or declines
Next-day bank funding for $50,000
5-year term loan (low monthly payments, same amount every month)
Flexible income-driven repayment if your business fails
Actual idea-stage startup capital, no gimmicks
What it is NOT:
No deck, business plan, etc.
No pitch meetings
No warm intros needed
No requirement to fit the perfect Silicon Valley stereotype
No equity, ownership, or warrants
No origination fee or pre-payment penalties
You can fill out the 1-min self-assessment on our site to join our waitlist today. Thanks and happy building!
@gabe_moronta More companies are being started every day than ever before, and the bar for getting funding is only getting higher. Hopefully we can help bridge that gap. 🙏
Thanks so much, @michelledearxox!
Two big themes for us stood out:
1. The majority of businesses that get created aren't venture-scalable, and if you can't raise money through equity, there's nothing available at the idea stage. That just seemed so stupid that over 99% of businesses had no options available to them.
2. We really wanted to figure out how to reduce barriers to entry in a scalable way—no worrying about warm intros or if you meet someone's idea of what a good founder looks like or anything else.
We're not solving either of those problems perfectly yet, but we continue to obsess over them every day and we'll continue working on them until we have!
@kenfrei Thanks for checking us out! Since the Paintbrush Loan is limited to $50k per startup, we expect nearly all of our startups will need future financing from debt or equity partners. You can absolutely get VC funding after your Paintbrush Loan.
In fact, our success team is happy to help Paintbrush companies to get in touch with venture funds!
And don't worry, the Paintbrush Loan does not accelerate after a venture financing. The loan doesn't change pricing or repayment pacing at all after a venture round.
Most importantly, the Paintbrush Loan does not transform into equity like a convertible note or SAFE Note or contain warrants or options of any kind.
@kenfrei Borrowing one of the top comments here to note—PH temporarily smothered our site, but our form is back up now for anyone who wants to get started on their journey! https://getpaintbrush.com/get-st...
LET’S GOOOOO! Congrats @stephen_walter5 and @kaela_worthen! Funding for folks at the idea stage is SO underserved and much needed. Best wishes as you all take off!
Incredible work @stephen_walter5! I am curious if you are planning on future connectivity to places like the SBA, CDFI's and other resources like PTACS?
Amazing idea, I love this. I’m a VC and pass on founders all the time that probably aren’t the right fit for venture. Can I just send them all to Paintbrush?
@trentmano Absolutely, no signaling issue for us :)
Most important thing is to make sure referrals understand this isn't equity financing. We built a robust FAQ help center and tons of info on the site about how the Paintbrush Loan works.
I think this is a great way for idea-stage startups to get built and prepped for pre-seed fundraising, or maybe they'll realize they don't need VC money!
@gabegundy We try to be as transparent as we can, so hopefully there aren’t any catches, but that being said, there are a couple important things you should know:
If your business fails, you are still on the hook personally to repay the loan. However, it’s extremely flexible and can be paid back over time, and even as a % of your income (which means that if you don’t have any income, your monthly payment is $0). More info here: http://support.getpaintbrush.com...
In order to make the math work on that first point, the underwriting criteria are a bit high. While your business doesn't have to have any revenue, you as the founder do need to have a history of making $100k/year previously, as well as a 720 credit score. You can see all our criteria here: http://support.getpaintbrush.com...
Sounds amazing. I bet this will be a huge hit .... Wish the entire PaintBrush team wonderful success!
Unfortunately, I am located in India ... or else I would have been knocking at your doors today!
@kaela_worthen Absolutely, Kaela.
Actually, we are coming to USA very shortly, but we would still not be able to leverage you as we do not have SSNs in USA, and hence no credit history.
But I look forward to any other mechanisms for collaboration, in the future.
@will_works haha you might have hit the window when our form was done due to too much traffic from PH, but we're back up now if you want to try now! https://getpaintbrush.com/get-st...
Such an awesome product! I’m excited to see more financing options for very early stage startups, and I look forward to seeing what else y’all come up with in the future.
Hey @_scott_raff! This is an idea-stage loan, so you're not required to have a full business plan, pitch deck, traction, etc before you can receive it. That being said, there are SO MANY things founders can do before they go full-time on any endeavor to de-risk it, whether that involves getting funding or leaving their day job.
It's important to research the market and your competition, do a ton of customer research, have a rough scope of how much it will take to build out your MVP, etc.
A few things you should be able to do:
- State in 1 sentence what the PROBLEM/pain point is you're addressing for people (not what your solution is—too many solutions in search of a problem)
- State in 1 sentence who your core demographic is (if it's for everyone, you're way too broad)
- Be able to differentiate what your MVP (minimum viable product) looks like compared to your long-term vision so you don't try to build everything all at once
And of course, have done the research to back those things up. Most of those things can be done for free and at a leisurely pace.
@asafdari Thanks so much! Also PH temporarily smothered our site, but our form is back up now for anyone who wants to get started on their journey! https://getpaintbrush.com/get-st...
This looks like a really cool idea! What have been the most common ideas among your customers so far? I can see this being amazing for an early E-commerce company, but curious if any other types of businesses have become popular.
Thanks so much, @ryleyrandal22! One of the fascinating themes to come out of this is side gigs. Around 50% of millennials have a side gig (probably almost everyone on this site has one or started their company as one). Some of them plan on keeping both, but want to grow that side hustle with some extra funding to buy some inventory or ad space for their Amazon/etsy store or get some equipment, etc, while some of them are building a new SaaS company and want to switch over full-time as soon as they get a bit more cash or traction to be able to do so. The type of company varies, but the founder path they all start on is amazingly similar.
I love the concept behind Paintbrush. The ability to secure funding at the idea stage is crucial for turning great ideas into reality. I can't wait to see this platform's impact on the startup ecosystem.
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