The 21 app allows you to earn bitcoin in exchange for answering messages and completing tasks. After answering a message or completing a task, you will receive a task reward in bitcoin.
And... if you want to do a good thing today, you can donate the approx $1.75-ish in btc that you'll receive for completing a 4-question survey to a nonprofit!
@nickabouzeid Yup! Right now we support Black Girls Code and Folding@Home, but we'll be adding more over time. If you have ideas on what we should add, we set up a quick form at nonprofits.21.co that you can fill out.
@balajis@nickabouzeid sidenote is there a db/api for pulling a list of vetted non-profits that users could select for donations. Is the list at something like Amazon Smile built in house?
I'll be the devils advocate here:
First.... Love the concept but getting a "reply" seems like a pretty tough thing to measure, how are you going to do that? For example Ben Horowitz is charging $100 for a reply. What exactly does it mean that he "replies"? Does it mean a 1 word answer or a 4 paragraph answer to a deep question about a subject he is an expert in? Or does it mean that a dialog has begun that can go on for x messages and days? To pay for a true conversation is very different than to pay for a single reply to a message.
Second... What the motivation is for the recipient? Aren't most recipients who are worth paying to have a conversation with likely already wealthy? Wealthy people generally value time more than money and would rather get no email, donate 10k to a charity, and just not be bothered. Is that a future feature?
Third... Hasn't this been tried in quite a few different variations over the years? Why is this now a good idea?
Creative pivot though. I hope you find success.
@arlogilbert Just saw this. Great qs:
> First.... Love the concept but getting a "reply" seems like a pretty tough thing to measure, how are you going to do that? For example Ben Horowitz is charging $100 for a reply. What exactly does it mean that he "replies"? Does it mean a 1 word answer or a 4 paragraph answer to a deep question about a subject he is an expert in?
We're rolling out Uber-style bidirectional ratings soon. So a good reply will be a reply that is highly rated by the sender. That could be short or long. Similarly, you will be able to rate the messages coming in to you, just like Uber drivers can rate passengers.
> Second... What the motivation is for the recipient? Aren't most recipients who are worth paying to have a conversation with likely already wealthy? Wealthy people generally value time more than money and would rather get no email, donate 10k to a charity, and just not be bothered. Is that a future feature?
Very good question. A few points in response:
First, the use cases we have in mind aren't casual conversations/QA but very focused business applications like fundraising, sales, and recruiting where you would pay a high price for a response. Some of these recipients are already wealthy, but certainly not all of them (eg engineers are not wealthy but get a lot of LinkedIn InMail messages from recruiters). The size of the LinkedIn InMail market indicates that this sector is not trivial.
Second, this is net new money that you can earn in interstitial times while in the back of an Uber or on the way to the airport. Wealthy people would do it for the same reason they like getting faves for their tweets -- because it's convenient and fun, and they can support a good cause while doing it. It's not a job by any means, but a few famous folks on 21 have already raised fairly substantial sums for charity in their spare time.
Third, you are absolutely right that wealthy people value their time. But right now they get tons of unsolicited email and the only way they can prioritize is by whitelists and introductions from friends. Many of them would like to branch out, and ranking inbound messages by price while donating to charity is a novel mechanism to do that. It's similar to Buffett's annual charity auction.
> Third... Hasn't this been tried in quite a few different variations over the years? Why is this now a good idea?
We think Bitcoin is one of the biggest differences. The presence of scaled social networks is another factor. And we have a few features coming out that we think represent a different take on the space. With that said, we'll see!
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@balajis@arlogilbert Implement a signature people can save as a Auto Respond on their inbox. A little banner that says Contact on 21lists and a button could go a long way for scale. that will be $1 plz n_n
Also use this to connect instead of LinkedIn Inmail's :)
Go here for a quick snapshot of what your personal inbox would look like: www.21.co/abhilashjain
Great, I'm sure most of the people would find immense value with this. Bitcoin all the way. Thanks for making @balajis
Also when is the Android version coming out?
@findabhilash The Android app is coming. You can use web and mobile web for now :) If you want to be notified when the Android app comes out, go to our homepage, click the Google Play button, and enter your email when the modal pops up.
21 allows you to replace your public email with an inbox that pays you. The idea is that you set up a 21 profile (like 21.co/naval) and people outside your network can now pay to contact you. You can keep the money or donate it to charity. It's like LinkedIn InMail, except you actually get paid :) And we use bitcoin under the hood, so it works in any country.
You can sign up for a profile and answer messages on either web (at 21.co) or mobile (at ios.21.co).
Note that "answering a message" is only the simplest task that the 21 webapp and app support. You can also complete surveys and do more complex things. You will see one of these surveys in the tutorial when you boot up the app; more are coming. But right now, the primary source of tasks will be paid messages to you from people outside your network. And the simplest way to solicit more such messages is to put your 21.co profile link on your homepage or Twitter bio, like this or this.
@balajis Super! logged in via facebook, created username, verified email, had prompt to login again, did so, login window persists... am logged in and can click other tabs but that initial empty state is confusing IMHO. Looking forward to using this and adding other nonprofits 👏
@balajis This was one of the cleanest launches I've ever seen. Signed up on web, got the email verification notification on my phone, which linked to the ios app, everything worked seamlessly, and both products felt very mature. Logo and UX are very well done. I'm quite impressed!
This looks promising! Do I need a Coinbase account to send/receive bitcoins? I live in Mexico and don't have access to Coinbase, are there any other options? Bitcoin newbie here, thanks! 😄
@bntzio You do not need a Coinbase account to receive bitcoin through the 21 app, though we do offer a one-click Coinbase integration. To pay to send a message to someone else you can use either (a) a credit card or (b) the bitcoin you earned from answering other people's messages. We'll be adding support to use bitcoin from an external source as a form of payment soon.
I'm a bit confused with the authorization asked when linking my coinbase account. It can buy bitcoin on my behalf, overcome the 2-step check process to send 100 USD... So basically it can steal bitcoin from my account or did I get this wrong?
@asatwork Hi Alexandre, great feedback and we're going to remove that permission. It is a historical holdover from the command line version of the API, which allowed you to buy bitcoin for use in applications.
@johnbrett_@asatwork John, completely agreed. As noted in my comment above, we will remove those extraneous permissions; they are due to historical factors.
I think that's pretty cool, but I'm a bit confused. It's not very clear what kind of tasks the user has to do. The page linked from this thread doesn't explain examples, and digging in, the only example I can find is a answering a survey question and responding to recruiting emails. Is it like Spare5, where they're essentially paying people to feed data to their ML dataset, or is it customer research surveys, or something else?
@antonio_bustamante Great feedback. See this comment here for more detail. The quick answer is that the primary task type you will get over the next few weeks is of the form: "answer this message from someone outside my network and earn $20". You can solicit those reply-to-earn tasks by posting on Twitter, like Ben Horowitz and Muneeb Ali did.
But we also have support for surveys and several other kinds of tasks, a few of which you can see in the introductory tutorial.
The relationship between "pay N strangers to complete a survey" and "pay one stranger to answer a message" is that you might want to run a survey first, and then send messages to a subset of people as determined by their answers to the survey. For example, send out a survey asking whether 1000 people you don't know are both (a) fintech angel investors and (b) interested in your company. For the 14 that reply yes, send individualized messages to them to follow up.
So I like the idea the more and more I think about it, it would be good to get something of a guide for my profile https://21.co/iwanow/ being $20 a question too much based on people with a similar level of experience or connections?
I also went with the option of contacting their team to get my profile verified, is there any additional features or benefits for verified users?
Love it overall, as if people contact me via Linkedin InMail I can reply with a link to this if they want an answer.
Really cool concept, will there be more charities to select from in the near future? Would LOVE to see the ACLU included. . I bet a ton of people would get on board!
@jasonkristofor Absolutely, more charities coming! Please recommend ones you'd like to see using the form at nonprofits.21.co. If you know a senior person at the charity or nonprofit, that helps accelerate things.
I just received an email from their support telling me to change my username because the one I chose is "reserved". Hardly seems like a replacement for your public email unless it's constant. What if I had printed business cards with my 21.co name?
I have an account! Hit me up -- http://21.co/benparr
But really, it's an exciting and cool feature for external communication. I'm looking forward to seeing it evolve and grow!
Really cool addition!
Getting bitcoin/money for completing the on-boarding was 👌
From a business & fraud PoV I also really like what you guys have done to verify users (via their social accounts).
Was pleasantly surprised to see that I got 10 cents for every social profile I connect, yet those additions weren't added to my 'Log'
I guess the question I have left is, other than sharing my profile to get people to send tasks/ask questions, how else can I earn that phat BTC?
@jonathanamendes Awesome! Glad you liked it. Sharing your profile to answer paid messages from people outside your network is the primary way to earn bitcoin right now, but we have more ways coming soon. See this comment for more color.
Once a user reads the task of being notified there is an iOS app, users should receive an email w/ the link to the iOS app to reduce the friction to download. #$0.02
@nhuebecker@chadwhitaker Right now, you can email verify@21.co and we'll take care of you. As context, we've had a crush of signups recently and are working hard on streamlining the process. Starting next week, verification will be integrated with signup on both web & mobile, and we will give you a timeline on how long verification will take (it should be quick once that's up and running).
@balajis Good idea, great execution. But why people who just want to contact someone, has to be registered? Most of the time it's the one time action. Forcing people to sign up first will in my opinion dramatically lower the use of the service.
Awesome stuff found you guys via the Launch ticker of @jason :-) testing it out as we speak! Although my first impression was more of a "marketing survey" tool than "LinkedIn Mail replacement".. based on the descriptions I read.
Kudos to the entire @21 team and @balajis for the continuing vision of a digital monetary system that flows like code through the ether (no pun) seamlessly. When can my car sign up to earn some BTC? ;)
Tried signing up on both mobile web and then after I downloaded the app. Consistently get either `Connection Error. Please try again.` or `Login timed out` with FB auth. I much prefer the last error message because I'm definitely sick of trying again. Hope you guys get it figured out. Seems interesting.
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