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Elucify - Free and crowdsourced database of business emails

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Chris Messina
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What are the moral or ethical implications of sharing other people's contact information in exchange for access to other people sharing the same?
Paul Walsh
@chrismessina How about providing your opinion? ;) Personally, I *really* dislike the idea of people sharing my email address in return for them getting access to other emails. If what you say is true, it's snake oil. Would love to learn more from the creators.
Paul Walsh
@chrismessina I noticed you didn't reply to my last 3 messages so thought I'd circle back in case you missed them. haha
Gerald Fong
@chrismessina Hey Chris, that's a really really good question. There's no right answer but I can share how I think about it. For me, whether it's OK to exchange your contacts comes down to how one views contact information in general. Today, a person's email address is something almost anyone can get if he or she spends enough energy/effort looking for it. The tricky part is actually getting your messaged delivered -- the spam networks put in place by gmail and the various email reputation networks are getting smarter every day. If a very small percent of people mark your email as spam, you will not be able to deliver your email to very many people. Our goal is to enable people who have legitimate products and services who are reaching out to people who can legitimately benefit from them. To filter out "bad guys", we also require all accounts be tied to a legitimate business domain and in the future we may put even more stringent requirements if we find our users abusing the data we have access to. We also never touch non-business related emails, so no relatives, grandmas, etc will end up in our system. Full disclosure, I'm one of the founders of Elucify. I've spent an incredible amount of time thinking about the implications, and I myself get a lot of sales/marketing emails. Happy to continue the conversation over email as well at gerald@getelucify.com.
Gerald Fong
@paul__walsh @chrismessina Hey Paul, apologies just saw this! I put an answer below -- happy to continue the conversation here as well as over email as well. Having access to emails is incredibly powerful (to do good and bad) and it comes down to whether 1. the people who have access to it are doing legitimate business with it (ie, non profits, up and coming companies with valuable products, and not viagra or scam related things) and 2. whether there is a strong system in place to penalize bad actors that fall through the cracks. Gmail and other email spam guards are very powerful and can quickly hone in and prevent bad actors from delivering emails. Also, in the status quo today, there are providers like Rain King, Data.com, ZoomInfo, etc that give large corporations access to all this data for very high prices that are out of reach for business that have not made it yet. We are coming up with a business model that enables smaller businesses to have access to the same resources, so long as they do not abuse them.
Paul Walsh
@geraldfong @chrismessina There is a right answer. It's ok for me to post my email address where I want as it's my property. It's not ok for you to share my email address unless you ask me for permission. You can of course, do as you please. But if you want my respect, or to do business with me, you will respect my wishes. We have this concept called "opt-in" for good reason. And it's why Mailchimp doesn't allow you to spam the shit out of people without asking for their permission first.
Mihir Deo
Thanks for hunting us @sama! We’re extremely excited to be launching on PH today 😃 Elucify (YC W16) is a free and crowdsourced database of business contact information. Once you sign up and join the community by anonymously sharing contacts, you can get access to over 200,000 company profiles and business contact emails at those companies completely for free. I was an early sales employee at Dropbox and realized that finding the contact information of sales prospects was a process filled with problems because: 1. Contact info/emails can be incredibly hard to and time-consuming to find through guessing and Google searching. 2. Lead providers/email database providers are ridiculously expensive We built this for salespeople and business development folks who want a quick, easy, and free way to reach out to their prospects without having to pay lots of money or spend hours manually guessing emails on Linkedin. We were interviewed by Siftery recently, and you can find out a bit more about our product vision here: https://medium.com/@siftery/find... We’re early in the process of Elucify and always figuring out ways to make it better! We’ll be here to answer any questions people have!
Daniel Snell
@mihir_deo great job guys, I've thoroughly enjoyed using and sharing elucify! Keep up the work guys :-)
Joel Andren
@mihir_deo @sama Just to be clear, when I sign up and Auth with my google mail, you scrape my entire contact list? This is the "crowdsourced" part?
Mihir Deo
@joelandren a part of it, yes, though most of the shared information from users is used to validate the publicly crawled information we already have. Parts of the crowdsourcing model is that users can also vote to improve the company info that we have on the system. Essentially with Elucify is a give-to-get model, where you securely and anonymously share business contacts in return for access to the database, which is a combination of publicly crawled information validated by crowdsourced data. However, we are going to be offering a paid option soon (as seen on the pricing page) to allow opt-out of sharing your business contacts. We realize this is a sensitive area and we're definitely making sure that we're taking all the efforts we can to ensure that our user data is safe and that we're doing this in a smart way.
Steven Buccini
This is an awesome product. I'm not in sales, but in college I had to hunt down people's emails to invite them to different events, ask them for advice, etc. Some of them have "private" emails (which aren't distributed widely and get less inbound, making it easier to manage) that don't follow the normal paradigms. Even then, validating emails was such a pain.
Mihir Deo
@stevenbuccini That's exactly one of the reasons we created Elucify. Finding emails should be like Googling a restaurant: totally free, look it up and just find the email. Thanks for the kind words!
Tyler Denk
Have been using Elucify for nearly a month now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Very intuitive and helpful.
Mihir Deo
@tyler_denk Glad you're a fan :) Appreciate the support!
Navid Nathoo
Super easy to use - great product for any lead gen / sales teams / hustlers!
Eric Ho
Elucify is a super slick tool, and it’s awesome that it’s free. I think the give-to-get model here for business contacts is pretty clever. Props to you guys, great product!
Mihir Deo
@eric_ho Thanks Eric!
Cory Bray
We use Elucify and it's a great product! It's actually free with no "gottchas" and is better than similar paid products.
Mihir Deo
@cory_bray Thanks for the kind words! Yes, a great part of Elucify is that it is free, and we love saving people money :)
Omer Sadika
Great product for your sales team. Highly recommended!
Mihir Deo
@omersadika thanks for the support :)
Robert Vis
nice work guys - we'll try you out.
Mihir Deo
@robertdvis Thanks Robert!
Duygu Aksoy
Liked it, thanks
Mihir Deo
@dyg_ksy Thanks so much!
Kal Freese
I've been using this successfully to get leads for a while - love it! Why did you start working on this project?
Gerald Fong
@kallefreese Hey Kalle! Glad to hear :) CEO of Elucify here -- yeah we started working on this because all three of us ran into this problem during our past startups/experiences. Naveen and I were doing sales for an engineering consulting firm and Mihir was doing sales at Dropbox. We realized this was a problem, teamed together, and has led up to this!
Nik Sharma
@mihir_deo and his team have created such a great product. I use this weekly to generate more leads, and then more revenue!
Mihir Deo
@mrsharma Thanks Nik! We're lucky to have you as an early user. We love helping people close deals and revenue!
Ashwin
@geraldfong @mihir_deo @naveen_krishnamurthi Why do you need access to my mails and settings for signing up?
Mihir Deo
@ashwinkumar_k Great question! With messages, we aren't interested in message content at all, but metadata like headers, footers, and signatures. Unfortunately Gmail's API permissions aren't granular enough to request just those things, hence the permissions. We're very careful about this, so great question. You can find our privacy policy here: https://www.elucify.com/privacy/
Erik Lee
Awesome product, even more awesome group of folks. Started using the product more than a year ago---incredible to see how it has evolved over time, and they're still iterating and improving!
Mihir Deo
@eriktlee Thanks for the kind words Erik!
James Welch
What a fantastic idea and product. This is the stuff that Product Hunt was made for. Brilliant.
Mihir Deo
@jwelch Wow, that really means a lot to us. We're super excited about this too and glad the PH community is liking it :)
Wilhem Pujar
I understand what you are trying to do but I find it somewhat misleading... First, I'm pretty sure most people don't get that they're about to share their entire contact list with the system. I believe this undermines your mission. Second, that's not really how (great) outreach works imho. For example, the list building wizard needs to allow keyword-based filtering of leads for cold emails to have the slightest chance to convert. Feels a bit like a spam machine at this stage. Last but not least, there's a high chance that some specific profiles will get a significant amount of cold emails now that they've been added to your database... How do you plan on handling the resulting complaints? Good luck with this, I still believe you're up to something interesting here :)
Gerald Fong
@wilhempujar Hey William, thanks for the feedback -- really really appreciate it. I'm trying to think of ways to message the sharing contact list part of the system better and better. Def far from perfect right now and lots of ways to improve. For the outreach portion, that is definitely the most requested feature and something I want to add. The more filtering options the more targeted, the fewer emails people will have to send to get the same result, the more everyone wins! Good last question -- we are going to be adding a way for people to opt out from Elucify completely. In addition, as we get more contacts, there will be a lower chance of many people emailing the same person. All things we honestly still need to work on! This product has only been publicly available for 1.5 months so we're far from done :)
Ufo Nguyen
Easy to use and easy to understand. very straightforward and directly right into the problem. But I do have some concerns about the morality of this. Do the people that have their contacts shared on your system get notified about that they have been added and can be exposed to thousands of users? Would they have a chance to opt out if they are not willing to be "shared" anymore? Or do they have a choice that they can only be exposed to a certain category of users (such as industry, title level, etc.) or a certain of users over a period of time? I already read your answers to some of the comments. I'm sure this is just a start for Elucify and there is still so much more to come. Just curious about what's next and what I can expect soon :)
Gerald Fong
@ufo_nguyen Hey Ufo! Good questions -- we will be coming out with an opt out where their contact will no longer be in our database. We do not notify people that people have been added to our system. However, our system does have over a million contacts so it is not likely that that person will suddenly be reached out to significantly more (compared to everyone else in our system). Those are interesting ideas about limiting who they are exposed to! Happy to continue the conversation as we grow -- we are always walking a fine line with our product of enabling good products to get heard about and also respecting people's privacy to opt out of messages they don't want.
David Weisburd
What is the business model?
Gerald Fong
@dweisburd Hi David, we will have a paid version that is still being built that doesn't require sharing business contacts. We will also have another version targeted towards enterprises.
Sureshkumar G
This is awesome. I came to know about this wonderful product and the people behind this via Swiftery. Great useful product for startups like us.
Mihir Deo
@hisureshg Thanks for the kind words!!! We <3 startups and many of them use Elucify.
David West
Just went through the painful process of trying to find important marketing folk for our upcoming FitMenCook app on Android. Was quite the task. Looks like your product will make life far easier next time I'm digging around! 👍🏻Great work team!
Mihir Deo
@david_west Glad we can potentially save you some time! One of the key uses of Elucify :)