@aaron_kazah agree. Their product landing pages are always world class.

@aaron_kazah @rrhoover When do we start thinking of environmental sustainability when it comes to 'good design'? These are essentially disposable gadgets. Once the battery dies, they are useless. Millions of them will end up on landfill. It might be great engineering, but it's *bad* design. Anything that is 'use once, throw out' is bad design. Sorry. >>> https://www.vice.com/en_au/artic...

@kaibrach How is this 'use once' ? It's rechargeable?

@adridder When the batteries no longer hold charge, the entire product ends up on landfill. And as far as I know, Apple doesn't bother recycling smaller items like this. Millions of them will be around hundreds of years from now. What I'm saying is that we need to rethink what 'good design' means. This sort of disrespect for materials and the environment is bad design – at least if we think designers have a responsibility beyond customer happiness and company profits. Well-designed products should be circular. They should be upgradable and maintainable. And at the end of their life cycle should at least partially be able to be repurposed.

@kaibrach How do you come to the conclusion that this is specifically, quote "a product design problem", and not instead a lack of recycling program (as far as you know), which for all I know, they might be working on?

@rrhoover Any chance reviews/ratings could be disabled for pre-launch products? They're completely meaningless on this product page at the moment seeing as AirPods Pro have yet to ship. Same has happened with other products getting tanked or inflated without having launched.

@rrhoover the audio sharing already exists for all generations of airpods as long as the phone is running iOS 13.

@jerre_baum why do you say that though? It's not like the AirPods Pro look ugly or anything.

@colin_smith_ezchile_ Same here. I clicked buy as soon as I saw the image with the rubber tips. Sadly, I'm more excited about that than the noise cancelling.

@edholloway @hrygrfn Had mine delivered today. Very impressed so far. The ANC is better than I'd hoped for - I was testing them in a kitchen with an extractor fan running, hit ANC and thought for a second there'd been a power cut. The tips are definitely more secure and the larger size of the Airpod body seems to fit my ear a whole lot better. #happyCamper

@hrygrfn @colin_smith_ezchile_ Awesome, thanks for the feedback, and congrats on delivery. Mine are still showing a Nov 5th delivery date :-(

@max_campolo1 Talk time is 3.5 hours on the Pro vs 3 hours on Airpods 2. Listen time is the same, with noise cancelling turned off - and only 30 mins less with it on. I've never once ran out of battery on my AirPods 1 or 2, so this has never been an issue for me (but maybe it's because they fall out often enough I just out them in the case a lot! )

@max_campolo1 Yea, I think apple let the engineers put that table together instead of the marketing team :-) When you look at the full specs on both, the pro looks a little better

@james_luterek the microphone on the Sony is horrible though, which means for Business users, airpods might just be a better choice